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Guardian Ryu Guardian Ipseity Omega Vector 0	Posted - 2013.09.28 03:46:00 - [1] - Quote Teckos Pech wrote: Vodiann wrote: "That is some pretty weak tea. You are appealing to some sort of space e-honor for a valid objection to your proposal." You said i am appealing for a valid objection to my proposal. I made it clear that I am looking for supporting evidence and what I'm getting is complaining. You may have misspoke, but ill go ahead and tell you that no honor is necessary in my argument. Its a fact that real pvpers like ship explosions and are willing to go out and make that happen. That is what i said. Where you see honor seems like your reading ability is 'some pretty weak tea'. Your opinion was asked not be made in that manner, as drawn out pretty clearly, so if you keep making such remarks I may or may not take the time to explain how your poor position is reflected by your complete lack of reference toward specific game mechanics . I'll restate that for your sake; talk about specific game mechanics here. If you are upset and are unsure what i may mean by mechanics, bring it up elsewhere. Sure PvPers like to PvP, that is a truism, and tells us very little. It is not a fact though that because of the truism that PvPers like to PvP that they'll engage in fights willy nilly. They will evaluate their chances and may decide not to engage if the odds are too much against them. So where you see hesitation, I see it as assessing the tactical situation and then deciding on the correct course of action. For example, if an FC takes a fleet out to do somethingGäó and on the way back a cyno goes up as they are landing on a gate the FC may initially order the fleet to align out in preperation to warp off. But then the FC notes that the fleet landing on grid is a kitchen sink fleet and likely a mish-mash of shield and armor--i.e. the logistics will be a mess...if they even have any. The FC realizing he has a superior logistics capability then orders his fleet to anchor up and starts calling primaries. But then the hostile fleet, despite being bubbled warp off. Ahhh the one ship they did kill shows one of these hybrid modules. This happens a few more times. Evenutally the FC actually has his guys first hold on the gate till the hostile start shooting, then jump through the gate and keep on heading for home. Why engage a bunch of guys you know you can't hold down? So yeah, the mish-mash fleet might be more inclined to fight, but then the other FC decides not to engage as its a waste of time. So your claims of more fleet engagements and more kills is dubious, IMO. How can I kill somebody if they can simply run away if they are starting to lose? Still not supported. Neither of you seem to have been keeping up with all things EVE. I must say though that at least the original poster isn't putting words in other people's mouth. The last poster i quoted asks how can he kill someone if they can simple run away, how about making it so that if the fleet with the hybrid afterburners engages they are stuck unless a cyno is lite right near them, there by activating its ability for a "run away". WHEW i nearly died thinking of that. I agree that Vodiann's idea isn't sound as it stands, however he at least is on the right train of thought with what ccp is wanting to do. While the rest of you nay sayers just describe fleets you've witnessed. Get over it because engagements will have new sets of conditions and EVE combat will change... if the player community doesn't want to help guide it then so be it. That's cool you all think you're the best FC's out there. Isn't Vodiann so lucky to get all this FC advice that has nothing to do with what he was talking about.
Guardian Ryu Guardian Ipseity Omega Vector 0	Posted - 2013.09.28 05:24:00 - [2] - Quote Teckos Pech wrote: Guardian Ryu wrote: Neither of you seem to have been keeping up with all things EVE. I must say though that at least the original poster isn't putting words in other people's mouth. The last poster i quoted asks how can he kill someone if they can simple run away, how about making it so that if the fleet with the hybrid afterburners engages they are stuck unless a cyno is lite right near them, there by activating its ability for a "run away". WHEW i nearly died thinking of that. You may not be guilty of putting words in other people's mouths, but damn you sure did miss the point I was making about the "running away" comment. I was responding to the claim of getting more kills. Getting more kills will be hard if you can tackle the bastards. You know that. I know that. That is the whole point of tackle modules. But these suggestions render those modules less useful. Oh, and who is often tackle in gangs and fleets? Why the new people. The people who do have t2 large guns, WU 5, let alone AWU 5. So they can get in the main line fleet doctrine ships, so they get in the tackle ships. So this is could very well be a partial nerf to new players getting into PvP. Quote: I agree that Vodiann's idea isn't sound as it stands, however he at least is on the right train of thought with what ccp is wanting to do. While the rest of you nay sayers just describe fleets you've witnessed. Get over it because engagements will have new sets of conditions and EVE combat will change... if the player community doesn't want to help guide it then so be it. That's cool you all think you're the best FC's out there. Isn't Vodiann so lucky to get all this FC advice that has nothing to do with what he was talking about. Thank you for the pompous and arrogant lecture, Dad. "pompous and arrogant" coming from the guy who assumes he wasn't understood. You're still making claims that this concept states tackling is impossible. Totally missing what was said. The OP never said it must be 100% of all forms of tackle be nullified. Vodiann did at first it looked like he meant that, but it made sense that the focus was shifted toward cynos and bubbles. I think Vodiann should have come more prepared with his idea, but lets face it most people don't. So his attempt to make it clear and short was enough i cared to read it. Stupid how terrible it was received. Pompous and arrogant to come to a idea discussion thread acting like you've got it all figured out. If you do not care for the idea then what do you care about to keep you coming back? Does not support Teckos Pech Trolling
Guardian Ryu Guardian Ipseity Omega Vector 0	Posted - 2013.09.28 17:44:00 - [3] - Quote Roime wrote: Vodiann wrote: To everyone else, CCP is already ahead of me on where i was going with this. Likely why people stopped replying their trolling because all i have to do is link this and between the bubble immune interceptors and the cyno jammer you pretty much get the evolution of what i was thinking AND showing that there was in fact a problem to be solved. But feel free to claim the devs have been working on those changes for no reason at all. I dont care cause im considering this thread complete given the changes i wanted to see have been introduced =). No, your ****** suggestion has not been introduced or even considered, bubble-immune interceptors are introduced for more efficient tackling (opposite of your ****** idea), and mobile cyno jammers are a tactical tool just as available to hotdroppers as anyone else. There still isn't a problem. Roime your such a loser haha. cyno jammers are a tactical tool just as available to hotdroppers as anyonelse. The OP was clearly talking about a tactical tool that would offset unscoutable forces... you will not understand what unscoutable forces mean and will likely make a fool of yourself trying to come up with some ass backwards explination of something unrelated to the topic. Still the OP idea was also available to anyone.... You did get it hehehe. Bubble immunity on ships other than the tech 3 cruiser is a version of what he was getting at. The OP also made it clear what CCP is introducing is far more advanaced thinking than what he suggested. You did not understand that .

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